President Donald Trump and Elon Musk discussed waste, fraud, abuse, and more in a joint interview with Sean Hannity that aired on Feb. 18.
Here’s the full Trump and Elon Musk interview with Sean Hannity. pic.twitter.com/uxcmLyvSNM
— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) February 19, 2025
The world’s wealthiest man and the president of the United States defended the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), now facing political opposition and numerous lawsuits as it slashes government spending - including negative publicity for firing and then seeking to rehire key nuclear weapons workers.
Setting the scene for the entire discussion, Musk described going to a dinner party before the election and how the reaction of other guests to him mentioning Trump's name was "like they got shot with a dart in the jugular that contained, like, methamphetamine and rabies."
"You can't have a normal conversation," Musk added, saying that people become "completely irrational" when Trump is discussed.
Musk also sought to make it clear he stands with Trump and vice versa.
“I think President Trump is a good man,” the tech entrepreneur said.
Trump reciprocated, saying he “couldn’t find anyone smarter” than Musk to assist his administration.
Below, The Epoch Times' Nathan Worcester lays out some takeaways from the joint interview on Fox News.
Musk Would Have Endorsed Trump Even Without Assassination Attempt
Musk, best known for his work with SpaceX, Tesla Motors, and other tech firms, publicly backed Trump after an attempt on his life at a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, in July 2024. But the tech titan’s support was apparently already in the cards.
During the Feb. 18 joint interview, Musk said that he was “going to do it anyway.” The assassination attempt, which claimed the life of Corey Comperatore, simply accelerated Musk’s timeline.
“I sped it up,” Musk said.
The president said he “didn’t know that” about Musk’s endorsement.
Musk went on to stump for the then-candidate. He also donated hundreds of millions to backing Trump.
Musk said his time with Trump deepened his appreciation of the president’s character—a point of contention for Trump’s critics, including some of the Republicans who contested him during the 2024 primary.
“Not once have I seen him do something that was mean or cruel or wrong,” Musk said.
Elon Musk (L) speaks as President Donald Trump looks on in the Oval Office of the White House on Feb. 11, 2025. Jim Watson/AFP via Getty Images
Trump, Musk Say They Are Not at Odds
The two men also talked about the publicity around their joint efforts, accusing the media of trying to fracture their relationship.
As DOGE was taking shape after Election Day, some news outlets reported that Musk’s ascendance was elevating him to a quasi-presidential role, a line of argument advanced by some Democrats.
Trump said Musk phoned him to say, “‘You know, they’re trying to drive us apart.’”
“It’s just so obvious. They’re so bad at it. I used to think they were good at it. They’re actually bad at it, because if they were good at it, I’d never be president,” he added.
Musk also affirmed his commitment to advancing, and not usurping, the elected president. He pointed out that his T-shirt read, “Tech Support.”
“I’m going to provide the president with technology support,” he said. “It’s a very important thing because the president will make these executive orders which are very sensible and good for the country, but then they don’t get implemented.”
Musk on DOGE-Related Conflicts of Interest: ‘I’ll Recuse Myself’
The interview also touched on potential conflicts of interest between Musk’s businesses and DOGE.
Many of the entrepreneur’s firms have benefited from extensive government support, from subsidies for Tesla’s electric vehicles to Pentagon contracts with SpaceX.
Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), a critic of DOGE and Musk, mentioned those possible conflicts in an interview with The Epoch Times earlier on Feb. 18, saying they “ought to deeply trouble progressives.”
Hannity asked Trump about how his administration would handle potential cuts to such areas. Trump said Musk would be kept away from them.
Musk said he would steer clear of those minefields, too.
“I’ll recuse myself,” he said.
Musk, Trump Talk DOGE Workers
The wide-ranging interview repeatedly landed on the topic of DOGE’s employees, which include many engineers.
The president said that Musk “attracts a young, very smart type of person—I call them high-IQ individuals.”
“These guys are smart, and they love the country,” Trump added.
Musk said DOGE’s software engineers “could be earning millions of dollars a year instead of earning a small fraction of that as federal employees.”
Trump described the DOGErs as “very committed people.”
One DOGE aide in the Treasury Department resigned after reporting revealed his history of controversial online posts. Vice President JD Vance and Trump supported his rehiring, after which Musk announced he would be reinstated.
The then-Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, left, claps as Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk prepares to depart after speaking at a campaign event at the Butler Farm Show on Oct. 5, 2024, in Butler, Pa. Alex Brandon/AP Photo
Musk, Trump Discuss Bringing Astronauts Home
The trio also discussed a plan to accelerate the rescue of NASA astronauts Sunita Williams and Butch Wilmore.
Initially slated for an eight-day mission, the pair have been stuck on the International Space Station (ISS) since June due to mechanical issues with the Boeing Starliner spacecraft that would have taken them home.
Trump, in January, said he asked SpaceX CEO Musk to expedite their return.
NASA has since moved up a scheduled April return to March. Williams and Wilmore will come back to Earth after the SpaceX Crew-10 mission reaches the ISS.
In the Feb. 18 broadcast, Trump said the two “got left in space,” blaming his predecessor, former President Joe Biden.
Musk said the astronauts’ return “was postponed kind of to a ridiculous degree.”
“We don’t want to be complacent, but we have brought astronauts back from the space station many times before, and always with success,” he said.
On DOGE, $1 Trillion Floated
The pair also talked about just how much waste, fraud, and abuse they expect DOGE to identify.
The president said DOGE was pinpointing “billions—and it will be hundreds of billions—of dollars worth of fraud.”
He predicted Musk would identify $1 trillion in what Hannity called “waste, fraud, abuse, corruption,” adding that he believes that to be “a very small percentage” of that sort of suspect spending.
Musk did not dispute the trillion-dollar figure.
The technologist said that saving money for the American taxpayer “comes down to two things: competence and caring.”
“It stands to reason that if you don’t have competence and you don’t have caring, you’re going to get a terrible deal,” he said.
Trump said that government contracts are not whittled down by the kind of give-and-take common to private-sector negotiations.
“Everybody expects to be cut,” he said.
President Donald Trump and Elon Musk discussed waste, fraud, abuse, and more in a joint interview with Sean Hannity that aired on Feb. 18.
Here’s the full Trump and Elon Musk interview with Sean Hannity. pic.twitter.com/uxcmLyvSNM
— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) February 19, 2025
The world’s wealthiest man and the president of the United States defended the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), now facing political opposition and numerous lawsuits as it slashes government spending – including negative publicity for firing and then seeking to rehire key nuclear weapons workers.
Setting the scene for the entire discussion, Musk described going to a dinner party before the election and how the reaction of other guests to him mentioning Trump’s name was “like they got shot with a dart in the jugular that contained, like, methamphetamine and rabies.”
“You can’t have a normal conversation,” Musk added, saying that people become “completely irrational” when Trump is discussed.
Musk also sought to make it clear he stands with Trump and vice versa.
“I think President Trump is a good man,” the tech entrepreneur said.
Trump reciprocated, saying he “couldn’t find anyone smarter” than Musk to assist his administration.
Below, The Epoch Times’ Nathan Worcester lays out some takeaways from the joint interview on Fox News.
Musk Would Have Endorsed Trump Even Without Assassination Attempt
Musk, best known for his work with SpaceX, Tesla Motors, and other tech firms, publicly backed Trump after an attempt on his life at a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, in July 2024. But the tech titan’s support was apparently already in the cards.
During the Feb. 18 joint interview, Musk said that he was “going to do it anyway.” The assassination attempt, which claimed the life of Corey Comperatore, simply accelerated Musk’s timeline.
“I sped it up,” Musk said.
The president said he “didn’t know that” about Musk’s endorsement.
Musk went on to stump for the then-candidate. He also donated hundreds of millions to backing Trump.
Musk said his time with Trump deepened his appreciation of the president’s character—a point of contention for Trump’s critics, including some of the Republicans who contested him during the 2024 primary.
“Not once have I seen him do something that was mean or cruel or wrong,” Musk said.
Elon Musk (L) speaks as President Donald Trump looks on in the Oval Office of the White House on Feb. 11, 2025. Jim Watson/AFP via Getty Images
Trump, Musk Say They Are Not at Odds
The two men also talked about the publicity around their joint efforts, accusing the media of trying to fracture their relationship.
As DOGE was taking shape after Election Day, some news outlets reported that Musk’s ascendance was elevating him to a quasi-presidential role, a line of argument advanced by some Democrats.
Trump said Musk phoned him to say, “‘You know, they’re trying to drive us apart.’”
“It’s just so obvious. They’re so bad at it. I used to think they were good at it. They’re actually bad at it, because if they were good at it, I’d never be president,” he added.
Musk also affirmed his commitment to advancing, and not usurping, the elected president. He pointed out that his T-shirt read, “Tech Support.”
“I’m going to provide the president with technology support,” he said. “It’s a very important thing because the president will make these executive orders which are very sensible and good for the country, but then they don’t get implemented.”
Musk on DOGE-Related Conflicts of Interest: ‘I’ll Recuse Myself’
The interview also touched on potential conflicts of interest between Musk’s businesses and DOGE.
Many of the entrepreneur’s firms have benefited from extensive government support, from subsidies for Tesla’s electric vehicles to Pentagon contracts with SpaceX.
Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), a critic of DOGE and Musk, mentioned those possible conflicts in an interview with The Epoch Times earlier on Feb. 18, saying they “ought to deeply trouble progressives.”
Hannity asked Trump about how his administration would handle potential cuts to such areas. Trump said Musk would be kept away from them.
Musk said he would steer clear of those minefields, too.
“I’ll recuse myself,” he said.
Musk, Trump Talk DOGE Workers
The wide-ranging interview repeatedly landed on the topic of DOGE’s employees, which include many engineers.
The president said that Musk “attracts a young, very smart type of person—I call them high-IQ individuals.”
“These guys are smart, and they love the country,” Trump added.
Musk said DOGE’s software engineers “could be earning millions of dollars a year instead of earning a small fraction of that as federal employees.”
Trump described the DOGErs as “very committed people.”
One DOGE aide in the Treasury Department resigned after reporting revealed his history of controversial online posts. Vice President JD Vance and Trump supported his rehiring, after which Musk announced he would be reinstated.
The then-Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, left, claps as Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk prepares to depart after speaking at a campaign event at the Butler Farm Show on Oct. 5, 2024, in Butler, Pa. Alex Brandon/AP Photo
Musk, Trump Discuss Bringing Astronauts Home
The trio also discussed a plan to accelerate the rescue of NASA astronauts Sunita Williams and Butch Wilmore.
Initially slated for an eight-day mission, the pair have been stuck on the International Space Station (ISS) since June due to mechanical issues with the Boeing Starliner spacecraft that would have taken them home.
Trump, in January, said he asked SpaceX CEO Musk to expedite their return.
NASA has since moved up a scheduled April return to March. Williams and Wilmore will come back to Earth after the SpaceX Crew-10 mission reaches the ISS.
In the Feb. 18 broadcast, Trump said the two “got left in space,” blaming his predecessor, former President Joe Biden.
Musk said the astronauts’ return “was postponed kind of to a ridiculous degree.”
“We don’t want to be complacent, but we have brought astronauts back from the space station many times before, and always with success,” he said.
On DOGE, $1 Trillion Floated
The pair also talked about just how much waste, fraud, and abuse they expect DOGE to identify.
The president said DOGE was pinpointing “billions—and it will be hundreds of billions—of dollars worth of fraud.”
He predicted Musk would identify $1 trillion in what Hannity called “waste, fraud, abuse, corruption,” adding that he believes that to be “a very small percentage” of that sort of suspect spending.
Musk did not dispute the trillion-dollar figure.
The technologist said that saving money for the American taxpayer “comes down to two things: competence and caring.”
“It stands to reason that if you don’t have competence and you don’t have caring, you’re going to get a terrible deal,” he said.
Trump said that government contracts are not whittled down by the kind of give-and-take common to private-sector negotiations.
“Everybody expects to be cut,” he said.
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